Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. I home carry, but as far as pistol lockboxes go, I recommend the Fort Knox (top opening lid) and the Sentry Safe with biometric lock (also has a key and keypad). I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway. Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. You learned something. Ever. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. Pull back the hammer, you notice how it clicks 4 times? Back in the old days of guns, they didnt really have any safety at all. You are not going to change my mind. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. Now try looking up punctuation. Lol. So whats up? Clinging to God and guns. And, Mad, you really like those ad hominem attacks. (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.). Go. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago. You always have time to do that. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. I submit extremely unlikely. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. Fuck off gov. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. Break into my house and well see how seriously you take a couple .44 mag slugs to the chest. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. The Israelis do it, and I do too. i doubt that israelis whose primary weapon is a pistol actually use israeli carry. I carry with a round chambered in my autoloading handguns. But youll likely carry for years and years, manipulating said weapon an uncountable number of times in the process. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. He thinks. Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. Training is nothing more than repetition. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. I got two strikers, finally, couple years ago, a 9mm and a 40. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. Being a klutz is one thing. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. So Move. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Is it just something one has to get used to? Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. I dont know who else to contact. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. It completely wraps the pistol in hard plastic so there is no chance of anything flexing into the trigger guard. You just have to scroll down to it. If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. I carry a single action 1911. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. No thanks. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. In reality, the 1911 with only the grip safety would be as safe or safer than the Glock. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. The finger does not go in the trigger guard until Im ready to fire. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. so the theory still stands, if you dont want a negligent discharge, dont be negligent. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. Does the Glock fire then? For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. The same as SJWs or those who suffer from TDS. So yes, its completely safe. Not only that, but the holster allows you to "re-holster" off body which also greatly reduces the odds of clothing or something getting caught in the trigger guard. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have become very popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. Amen brother. They're fun, handy, and can be very practical. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. Big Bill: Yup. Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? There are also the safety concerns . Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. Whats the controversy? The G44 is the ideal pistol to start or enhance your shooting experience. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? If my shooting was up to par with my driving Id be like Lena Miculek. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. The Glock 17M and Glock 19X are two designs with Gen 5 features. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. Fairbairn and E.A. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. Apparently the last time it worked. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity.. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. you are correct. Or would it it take more movement of the slide to do that before an impact could trigger potential discharge? If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Must not be working on it very hard. They say tomato, I say Condition 1 In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. Its your right to be retarded. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Not thinking human beings. Daughter carries the 9. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. Momentum and all. Conceal. The gun is DA/SA, so the first shot is a long pull on the trigger, but I routinely practice it, so Im OK with it. Safe and ready when I am. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. Some extras, just in case one breaks? I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. The fact remains, we are always training. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. I once had a grim laugh when one Jethro Bodine (after emerging from his out house) told me he bought a Glock because he could not stand the worry of carrying his 1911 cocked and locked. Cocked and locked . I'm not exactly a diehard with pistol-caliber carbines but I definitely enjoy them. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. . All the out of battery safeties do is, in one way or another, block the hammer from providing that energy to the pin until the gun is fully locked into battery. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. Brain farts are a universal malady that effects 100% of all humans and the Glock and its clones are probably the least idiot proof handgun ever invented. But how often are you a klutz when handling or holstering your firearm? These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. The idea behind the floating firing pin is that if the firing pin is heavy enough, but made too short to actually be driven into the primer by the hammer, then when the hammer drops, the pin will be struck hard enough to give the pin enough of its own inertia to fire the round, yet then rebound to the rear. While carrying or holstering? Perhaps you could write one yourself even. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. . Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. Considering the odds of handling a particular weapon every day for years or possibly the rest of your life hoping to never have a brain fart in the process, and many people wisely choose another option. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? I feel its foolish but its my thought. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. Widen your horizons. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. Didnt fire..interesting. One other one was very tragic. The Glock 26 Gen 4 weighs approximately 25 ounces with a loaded magazine. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. That is a good point that I have never heard before. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. Confused fool. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. . Or a DA/SA auto. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six??. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. This is the inherit design of a sticker fired pistol. There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. Boy, that must be realllll nice. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. Bet you still get stabbed. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. Not exactly. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. However, with an unchambered semi-auto, that may be a more credible concern. Yes. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. 19th century Colt hammers. Some of these points were deliberately avoided for reasons Ill get into. I could carry Israeli style, I suppose, and draw-and-rack if it comes to that, but I just saw a training video in which a woman carrying Israeli style would have been killed by a knife had the attack been real. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. Thats not a very fresh idea. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. . Just not for me. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. the department said it was the pistols fault. But, some want only one item to cover every base. Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. In the 1930's, W.E. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. Ammoland eh? Situational risk assessment. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. but Glocks are safe to carry. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution.